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Not sure how many of you guys follow racing, but I figured I'd start a thread about this series since I've seen them on other bike forums I'm on. WSBK started several weeks ago, but the new-for-this-year WSS300 class is only starting this weekend since they only do the European rounds. I'm excited to see how this new class goes. Practice 1 results:

http://resources.worldsbk.com/files/results/2017/ESP/SSP300/L1A/CLA/Results.pdf?version=3f254ea62985e67d70d5751fd79112ed

Looks like like a ninja on top followed by a bunch of R3s! Granted the R3 dominates in number with 17 entries at the start of the season. There were 10 ninjas, 2 cbr500s and no RC390s at all signed up initially. Biggest surprise to me is seeing so many hitting almost 120 mph on the straight! :eek:...I wanna know what they're doing to get to that cuz these bikes top out at less than 110 stock. Not entirely sure on the technical rules/restrictions for the bikes, but I thought they were pretty strict in that they can't do many mods to the engines.
 

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No secret to it. The stock bike will see 120+. Just might take a while to get there. There are a few top speed videos showing them hit 120.

Edit: I could have sworn there were a few 120mph runs but apparently only 115?
 

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I was hitting over 118mph on the speed trap at one of the tracks I raced at last year, only mods where block off plate and full exhaust and sprockets(steel, not aluminum), oem chain, no fuel controller and I weigh significantly more than most 300 riders. There's definitely room for >120mph
 

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I was hitting over 118mph on the speed trap at one of the tracks I raced at last year, only mods where block off plate and full exhaust and sprockets(steel, not aluminum), oem chain, no fuel controller and I weigh significantly more than most 300 riders. There's definitely room for >120mph
Is that actual speed measured with a GPS, or are you talking about what the speedo was showing? I haven't heard specifically from anyone with an R3, but I've raced with many 300s while I was on a cbr500 and none of us were anywhere near those speeds. My 500 topped out at less than 110 with stock gearing and chain, full exhaust, PCV. The guys with 300s were at about 105 stock and had to change their gearing for the tracks with longer straights to be able to gain a few more mph.
 

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No secret to it. The stock bike will see 120+. Just might take a while to get there. There are a few top speed videos showing them hit 120.

Edit: I could have sworn there were a few 120mph runs but apparently only 115?
If the videos you saw just show the speedo and it gets up to 115 or so, then that's about right, and in reality that translates to somewhere between 105 and 110 ACTUAL speed. They all have errors in the reading of the speed.
 

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Well that's a good start so far. Got a kawasaki, yamaha, and a honda in the top 3 for qualifying. The race should be interesting! :)
 

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Is that actual speed measured with a GPS, or are you talking about what the speedo was showing? I haven't heard specifically from anyone with an R3, but I've raced with many 300s while I was on a cbr500 and none of us were anywhere near those speeds. My 500 topped out at less than 110 with stock gearing and chain, full exhaust, PCV. The guys with 300s were at about 105 stock and had to change their gearing for the tracks with longer straights to be able to gain a few more mph.


Speed was obtained from the track facilities, I didn't have GPS or lap timer on the bike (very strict rules) and did not look at the speedo
Here's one of the race results with top speeds on the right hand side (197km/hr ninja & R3)
http://www.computime.com.au/meetings/2016/ASBK3/ASBK3_16_R06_RES.HTML
 

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Speed was obtained from the track facilities, I didn't have GPS or lap timer on the bike (very strict rules) and did not look at the speedo
Here's one of the race results with top speeds on the right hand side (197km/hr ninja & R3)
http://www.computime.com.au/meetings/2016/ASBK3/ASBK3_16_R06_RES.HTML
Daaaaaamn! Didn't realize you're competing in a national series. That's legit! I'm gonna PM you with a bunch of questions if you don't mind then lol...the last week I've been in "heavy-research" mode on what works best for the R3 for racing, now that I have some more money to finish up my build. Always looking for more opinions especially to see what people from across the globe are running. I was trying to see what parts some of the WSS300 teams were running, but aside from exhausts it's hard to really tell.
 

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Unfortunately circumstances and finances aren't allowing me to compete nationally this year
There's definitely a lot more available for the R3's than a couple of years ago and I can only see more products becoming available with the commencement of the supersport 300 class around the world (and WSBK)
 

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Well that was a fun a race! Couple of Yamahas crashing out at the front unfortunately. Close finish though and pretty surprised to see all 3 manufacturers in the top 3 so close together. Didn't look like really any of them had an advantage over the rest.
 

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The last race at Assen was pretty crazy! I lost track of how many times guys went off track by just a few feet from pushing each other in the corners lol

Scott Redding was in the commentators booth and even he said that those guys are nuts! lol
 

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The last race at Assen was pretty crazy! I lost track of how many times guys went off track by just a few feet from pushing each other in the corners lol

Scott Redding was in the commentators booth and even he said that those guys are nuts! lol
I really enjoyed Scott Redding's commentary...you can tell he is an avid fan :)

- Paulie
 

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R3 domination at Imola this time! This one wasn't quite as crazy as the last 2 but still pretty intense.
 

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The R3 takes first and second in the first WSS300 championship with the final round at Jerez! Separated by 1 point only! Ninja 300 in 3rd, followed by the CBR500 and a bunch more R3s. Gotta feel bad for Coppola though.
 

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its going to be cool to see how the R3 does in Motoamerica in 2018

I have seen data lines of the R3 vs KTM390. The bikes are almost identical, except for low range torque exiting out of the slow speed corners.
 

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its going to be cool to see how the R3 does in Motoamerica in 2018

I have seen data lines of the R3 vs KTM390. The bikes are almost identical, except for low range torque exiting out of the slow speed corners.
Should be fun to watch. I'll be interested to see how much the grid shakes up in 2018 though. There's a lot of riders already invested in the RC390, so I wonder if they'll stick with what they have for a bit (whether for finances or preference) or if they'll unload them to club racers to try something else they might like. Obviously, anyone just entering will be starting from scratch either way.
 

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Should be fun to watch. I'll be interested to see how much the grid shakes up in 2018 though. There's a lot of riders already invested in the RC390, so I wonder if they'll stick with what they have for a bit (whether for finances or preference) or if they'll unload them to club racers to try something else they might like. Obviously, anyone just entering will be starting from scratch either way.
Well if WSS300 is of any clue, I expect there won't be all that many RC390s left. In WSS300 there wasn't a single KTM on the grid until this last race where there were 2 wild cards. I imagine some of the MotoAmerica RC390 cup guys will keep theirs for the sake of not spending a lot more money, but I'm betting a lot will transition to either R3 or ninja 300. A friend of mine actually just announced that he got accepted to race in that new class in MotoAmerica next year and he'll be on a ninja 300. The problem is he's 25 which is the age limit, and he'll be 26 actually at the end of this month, but somehow he got accepted anyway. But that means he'll only be able to do it next year. He's really fast, one of those guys that picked up the pace in a VERY short amount of time. Did his first track day last year and started racing right after that in club racing but he only ever had 1 guy to really compete with, everyone else was way slower. This year he won the championship in that class, and this weekend he was at Daytona where he won a couple of races with some very tough competition from all over the country, and it was his first time there!! Also one of the races was in the rain and he had never raced in the rain before. I would not be surprised to see him get some top 10 finishes next year in this new MotoAmerica class.
 

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Well if WSS300 is of any clue, I expect there won't be all that many RC390s left. In WSS300 there wasn't a single KTM on the grid until this last race where there were 2 wild cards. I imagine some of the MotoAmerica RC390 cup guys will keep theirs for the sake of not spending a lot more money, but I'm betting a lot will transition to either R3 or ninja 300. A friend of mine actually just announced that he got accepted to race in that new class in MotoAmerica next year and he'll be on a ninja 300. The problem is he's 25 which is the age limit, and he'll be 26 actually at the end of this month, but somehow he got accepted anyway. But that means he'll only be able to do it next year. He's really fast, one of those guys that picked up the pace in a VERY short amount of time. Did his first track day last year and started racing right after that in club racing but he only ever had 1 guy to really compete with, everyone else was way slower. This year he won the championship in that class, and this weekend he was at Daytona where he won a couple of races with some very tough competition from all over the country, and it was his first time there!! Also one of the races was in the rain and he had never raced in the rain before. I would not be surprised to see him get some top 10 finishes next year in this new MotoAmerica class.
Yeah, that's the only bit I was wondering about. I didn't even notice the RC390s that were in those last rounds, I thought the whole season went by without any. Should definitely be interesting to see how it all shakes out for MotoAmerica. I'm also interested to see how the new 650 class will go. Popular with club racers, but will there be enough folks who want to do the whole season? Will we see some of the riders who were in the 390 Cup jump up to that rather than try a different 300? I just have no idea.
 
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