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Hi folks, considering a R3 or CBR500R; can anyone who test rode both comment on which has a smoother and more refined engine? Not keen on vibes through the grips and pegs, but none of the reviews seem to touch on this topic. TIA.
 

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I've ridden both. My opinion is that you've got to consider what aspects are important to you. I've ridden the Honda when I was practiceing for the licence. They're solid and easy to handle. I've done 200 miles on my R3 now, it's a whole different experience. Vibes will always be there, expecially because we're talking about twin engines.

I'd choose the R3, it's taste. I just think the Honda misses a little bit of styling and it's less sporty. The R3 feels so solid and light.
 

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Singles are normally much more vibey than twins. Having multiple cylinders cancels out some of the vibrations. Add in the balance shaft that most bikes have and there usually isn't much buzz in the bars or seat.

My CBR250R was very vibey, causing a buzz in the fairing panels and some numbness in my hands after a long ride.

My R3 isn't vibey at all. Can't feel it in the hands or seat, no fairing buzz, etc.

Gel palm gloves can also reduce any vibeyness that is there.
 

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I guess it stands to reason that the heavier bike might have less vibration. The quality of engines anymore and the technology would counter that though. Although the technology is older on the 500 the quality of workmanship is probably higher due to changing attitudes these days. There's a lot of cheap labor and businesses now are more likely to be money motivated that customer motivated. Body parts are made cheaper so that might make vibration.
Went off on a tangent there but I guess it IS actually down to preference and I am biased towards Yamaha.
 

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I've seen some criticism of the budget Hondas made in Thailand (500/650) being a bit buzzy, just wondered if the R3 was the same, or better.

Would an inline 4 be smoother? I have a full licence but don't need a big bike, sadly the smallest I4's seem to be 600's.
 

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The R3 has solid footpegs whereas the Honda has rubber isolated ones.

I can feel a little vibration in the pegs and bars at higher RPMs but it is tolerable. I tend to "lock in" my feet pretty tight which amplifies the vibration because my inner ankles are hugging the heelguards.

Some fun reading: http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/EngineBalance/EngineBalance.pdf

Edit: In particular, note in the PDF the differences between a "twingle", a 180° and a 270° parallel twin, WRT vibration and balance.
 

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I've seen some criticism of the budget Hondas made in Thailand (500/650) being a bit buzzy, just wondered if the R3 was the same, or better.

Would an inline 4 be smoother? I have a full licence but don't need a big bike, sadly the smallest I4's seem to be 600's.
Inline 4's are generally VERY smooth and some don't even need a balance shaft
 

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The R3 has solid footpegs whereas the Honda has rubber isolated ones.

I can feel a little vibration in the pegs and bars at higher RPMs but it is tolerable. I tend to "lock in" my feet pretty tight which amplifies the vibration because my inner ankles are hugging the heelguards.

Some fun reading: http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/EngineBalance/EngineBalance.pdf

Edit: In particular, note in the PDF the differences between a "twingle", a 180° and a 270° parallel twin, WRT vibration and balance.
The type of shoes or boots can effect how much vibration you feel through the pegs, also. I always add gel insoles to my motorcycle shoes and boots. Could be why I feel no significant vibes through my R3's footpegs.
 

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Singles are normally much more vibey than twins. Having multiple cylinders cancels out some of the vibrations. Add in the balance shaft that most bikes have and there usually isn't much buzz in the bars or seat.

My CBR250R was very vibey, causing a buzz in the fairing panels and some numbness in my hands after a long ride.

My R3 isn't vibey at all. Can't feel it in the hands or seat, no fairing buzz, etc.

Gel palm gloves can also reduce any vibeyness that is there.
The Honda CB300 series are singles.
The CB500 are twins.

From many articles, vibration doesn't seem to bother most who write up a hands on review.
Even on the much more vibey CB300f, did most writers not complain about vibration.

On most budget bikes, there is an RPM osscilation range, where the bike vibrates more than in other rpm ranges.
On my Honda Rebel, that would be between 4k and 6k rpm.
Anything below (good for cruising), or above (for sporty riding) does not suffer from that.

From the vids I've seen on YouTube, there doesn't appear to be a lot of vibrations at all on either bikes (dash cams are pretty steady), with the CB500F being a bit more vibey.
But that would all depend on where the cam was mounted on the bars.
 

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With 517 mi on the clock, I've constantly noticed a buzz between 5-7,000 RPM.(ESPECIALLY at 6k). Motor seems to buzz alot more than my ninja 2-fittys , which are understandably more refined, being in the works for 19 years. Prolly jus "nature of the beast", and something I need to work through. ...My ninjas won't pull a power wheelie :)
 

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Coming from a v-twin 650, I don't notice the vibes on the r3 if there are any. I suspect if you are coming from a 4 cylinder then you might notice more vibes more than you are used to.
 

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Coming from a v-twin 650, I don't notice the vibes on the r3 if there are any. I suspect if you are coming from a 4 cylinder then you might notice more vibes more than you are used to.
Hey Warlok9, could you give a comparison of both bikes (Vstar 650 and R3) as far as power/torque and get up and go in general? Thanks
 

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Hey Warlok9, could you give a comparison of both bikes (Vstar 650 and R3) as far as power/torque and get up and go in general? Thanks
Yeah, sure. My old bike was actually a Suzuki sv650s. Still hard to compare because I'm still breaking in the r3. The Sv is just a lot more powerful as you would imagine. Great bike for its time. 0-60 in about 3.6 secs. The R3 should be able to do a 5 second 0-60 I'd imagine.

The R3 is WAY more manageable due to the size and throttle control, but you do have to downshift more often as you'd expect with a motor half the size.

The R3 is amazing for what you get for $4500!
 

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I've noticed that when the buzzing is constant, like you want to maintain a constant speed on the road, that the body seems to automatically numb the buzz.
like, I can feel the buzz for the first 10 seconds, but after, it feels like it's disappearing.
 

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OK, just got back from a 40 mile ride. Hands are still tingling after 10 minutes. So yeah, there are some vibes coming through the grips. Part of the issue could be I'm keeping the bike right around the 5-7k rpm range for the break in period, only hitting 9k in very short bursts. Around that 5-7 k the vibes could be more evident than higher revs?

One thing I've noticed is that if you let your revs dip under 5000k in any gear but 1st, the engine loses it's snappiness. If you want to accelerate quick you'll have to downshift. The engine starts waking up at 5500rpm and the throttle comes alive. Can't wait until I have the full rpm range to play with! I can imagine this engine is most comfortable in the 7-10k range.
 

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I've noticed that when the buzzing is constant, like you want to maintain a constant speed on the road, that the body seems to automatically numb the buzz.
like, I can feel the buzz for the first 10 seconds, but after, it feels like it's disappearing.
I agree, I tend to feel a Buzz up my Nuts LOL))), but after riding a bit, you tend to not notice it.
 

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I wear riding gloves, so maybe I don't notice the buzzing. I took the bike out today and paid special attention to 6K RPM accel and de-cel. I just can not notice the buzzing or vibrations.
I'm coming off a Ninja 650r and picked up on the buzzing from the front fairing on that bike right away.
 

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Interesting, sounds like there are some vibes but everyone's tolerance is different. Was hoping someone had compared them back to back. I guess I'll find out on a test ride, but my local dealerships (UK) don't have the R3 yet. Sat on a Ninja 300 today and the size felt just right; I had a SV650S previously and that always felt too big.
 
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