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So randomly about 2 weeks, 500 miles after my oil change, I found that a pool of oil accumulated under my bike overnight! My parking spot has been dry for 2 weeks then out of nowhere i found that my oil filter has been leaking. I was using a Purolator Gold filter that I cross referenced. I thought maybe I had the cross reference wrong, went and bought a K&N filter, then again it started leaking. Happen to anybody else?? What can cause this after 500 miles out of nowhere? I tightened it with a tool so that cant be the issue. I thought maybe debris around the rim but that cant explain why it happened out of nowhere :/
 

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So randomly about 2 weeks, 500 miles after my oil change, I found that a pool of oil accumulated under my bike overnight! My parking spot has been dry for 2 weeks then out of nowhere i found that my oil filter has been leaking. I was using a Purolator Gold filter that I cross referenced. I thought maybe I had the cross reference wrong, went and bought a K&N filter, then again it started leaking. Happen to anybody else?? What can cause this after 500 miles out of nowhere? I tightened it with a tool so that cant be the issue. I thought maybe debris around the rim but that cant explain why it happened out of nowhere :/

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Two different filters (ie; two different brands) leads my first thought to be that it might not be the filter(s) - but just in case - specifically what filter numbers did you use?
 

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This is the K&N oil filter I use for my R3. If this is the one you're using, then take the bike in for a warranty claim. It shouldn't leak. You can over tighten the filter and damage the rubber seal on the filter but I'm not sure if that would cause a leak.
 

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Bring it to my house, i'll fix it for ya.
You just pay me for the cost of a new OEM filter. :laugh:
 

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This is the K&N oil filter I use for my R3. If this is the one you're using, then take the bike in for a warranty claim. It shouldn't leak. You can over tighten the filter and damage the rubber seal on the filter but I'm not sure if that would cause a leak.
http://www.amazon.com/KN-204-Motorc...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
There have been problems reported for K&N 204's made in China (Not the Korean ones) - also if you check the link you provided and look at the one star reviews, the same issues reported by OP are also reported. (Never trust Amazon 5 star reviews - they are often bot or fluff reviews, btw).

See also this thread: http://www.r3-forums.com/forum/530-oil-lube/23289-oil-filters-do-not-work-r3.html

Let's try to help the OP diagnose His problem before heading off on a tangent - I tend to agree with CBR on this one - if the problem persists with the OEM filter, then there is probably something else going on.
 

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Two different filters (ie; two different brands) leads my first thought to be that it might not be the filter(s) - but just in case - specifically what filter numbers did you use?
I used a Purolator Gold originally, cross referenced (CR) by somebody at Pepboys, I'll have to go home to find the PN. I reinstalled it with a WIX 51358, which I CRd from Mobil 1 M1-110. I don't trust CRs too much so that can be the case, but it still doesn't explain to me why it only started happening after 1,500 miles... (I wrote 500 but I meant 1,500 whoops)

My parking space at my apartment was clean for 2 weeks then this morning a pool of maybe 1-2 oz of oil...
 

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****. Just read the 1 star reviews. That's a bummer. Maybe try OEM oil filter then get back to the forum OP. I'll go check my filter tomorrow morning. It's been 800 miles since my oil change and no leaks but I haven't used a q tip to verify no leaks. I just look at the oil level throught the window and make sure there's no oil on my garage floor. But I might just put some cardboard now. BTW, OKC barely beat the Mavs without Parsons. I have a feeling Spurs will beat OKC in 6. KD has been struggling making buckets and next game Kawhi DPOY will be guarding him.
 

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This is the K&N oil filter I use for my R3. If this is the one you're using, then take the bike in for a warranty claim. It shouldn't leak. You can over tighten the filter and damage the rubber seal on the filter but I'm not sure if that would cause a leak.
http://www.amazon.com/KN-204-Motorcycle-Powersports-Performance-Filter/dp/B000E2CVI8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I just ordered it earlier today, I'll install that on Friday when I go back home, I'm using my Versys for now.

I'll give that a try I know that one should work for sure. Nobody uses Purolator Gold or Wix so those can be debatable. I still don't see how it would start happening after 1500 miles though... (I wrote 500 I meant 1500)
 

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There have been problems reported for K&N 204's made in China (Not the Korean ones) - also if you check the link you provided and look at the one star reviews, the same issues reported by OP are also reported. (Never trust Amazon 5 star reviews - they are often bot or fluff reviews, btw).

See also this thread: http://www.r3-forums.com/forum/530-oil-lube/23289-oil-filters-do-not-work-r3.html

Let's try to help the OP diagnose His problem before heading off on a tangent - I tend to agree with CBR on this one - if the problem persists with the OEM filter, then there is probably something else going on.
Man, looks like other people are having CR issues too. Well nonetheless, just order the OEM!! Hope it works and is simply filters not compatible. I do notice that, while the gasket does hit the surface, no pressure is applied for a complete seal. It sorta bottoms out early... Just picked this up:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-OEM-...ash=item2ed8e35601:g:DTQAAOSw~1FUU-Gu&vxp=mtr
 

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I do notice that, while the gasket does hit the surface, no pressure is applied for a complete seal. It sorta bottoms out early...

Boom!! - THAT is the issue that seems to have come up quite a bit. Two causes: on some of the aftermarkets, the bung hole isn't threaded deep enough to allow the filter to be fully screwed on, thus no seal compression. On the 204's, see the 'Do NOT work thread' for the reasons they don't seal correctly. **

I'd go ahead and pull the aftermarket off and replace with OEM. If it still leaks (and be certain it is leaking at the filter, not somewhere else - like the cylinder base gasket), check the seating face on the engine to make absolutely sure there isn't a scratch or nick on the surface, no junk, face is flat, etc. If it still leaks with the OEM, then agree with Hory - take it in to the shop.

** been using the 204's for some time with no issues, but since they changed production to China, there have been a lot of problems reported with them, resulting in them being effectively banned by at least two race orgs (I still have some of the Korean ones in my "stash" and they work fine).
 

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Boom!! - THAT is the issue that seems to have come up quite a bit. Two causes: on some of the aftermarkets, the bung hole isn't threaded deep enough to allow the filter to be fully screwed on, thus no seal compression. On the 204's, see the 'Do NOT work thread' for the reasons they don't seal correctly. **

I'd go ahead and pull the aftermarket off and replace with OEM. If it still leaks (and be certain it is leaking at the filter, not somewhere else - like the cylinder base gasket), check the seating face on the engine to make absolutely sure there isn't a scratch or nick on the surface, no junk, face is flat, etc. If it still leaks with the OEM, then agree with Hory - take it in to the shop.

** been using the 204's for some time with no issues, but since they changed production to China, there have been a lot of problems reported with them, resulting in them being effectively banned by at least two race orgs (I still have some of the Korean ones in my "stash" and they work fine).
I just bought another 204 last week, any way to tell if it was made in China or Korea? Does it say on the box? Planning to check when I get home, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone else is wondering too.

Bummer that they are having issue now. I used a 204 for my break-in service a few months ago and it has worked like a charm.
 

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To avoid problems like this, I always use OEM oil filters on all my bikes. NEVER had a problem. The OEM filters are cheaper than some of the aftermarket ones. Around $10 for OEM, Vortex is $12, and K&N is $14. A CR auto filter at your local auto parts store is what, $6? Is it worth the trouble to save $4? Nope!
 

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I just bought another 204 last week, any way to tell if it was made in China or Korea? Does it say on the box? Planning to check when I get home, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone else is wondering too.

Bummer that they are having issue now. I used a 204 for my break-in service a few months ago and it has worked like a charm.

It's printed on the side of the filter itself (not the box). I'm looking around a bit to see if I can find a China one locally, so I can actually put them side by side and confirm for myself that they are different.
 

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To avoid problems like this, I always use OEM oil filters on all my bikes. NEVER had a problem. The OEM filters are cheaper than some of the aftermarket ones. Around $10 for OEM, Vortex is $12, and K&N is $14. A CR auto filter at your local auto parts store is what, $6? Is it worth the trouble to save $4? Nope!
Lol I used K&N b/c it was $10 on Amazon w/ Prime shipping, which saved me a trip to the dealer ;)
 

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To avoid problems like this, I always use OEM oil filters on all my bikes. NEVER had a problem. The OEM filters are cheaper than some of the aftermarket ones. Around $10 for OEM, Vortex is $12, and K&N is $14. A CR auto filter at your local auto parts store is what, $6? Is it worth the trouble to save $4? Nope!
I don't think it's a matter of price, but arguably the OEMs aren't as good as some other things out there, but I'll probably go OEM now just to avoid this trouble.
 

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It's printed on the side of the filter itself (not the box). I'm looking around a bit to see if I can find a China one locally, so I can actually put them side by side and confirm for myself that they are different.


The seals look different. China has an o ring seal, while korea has a seal with a small lip on it. Also, the mounting face is bulged out on the korean filter



 
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