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Hi

Just thought you might want to know what i have planned for my R3, if you not interested then move on.

I love the handling of the bike and weight , so what i have done is replace the OEM battery with a lighter Lithium Ion one. I weighed the stock battery in metric terms it was 2.7kg ( that is about 5.95 pounds ) the Lithium ion weighs 430 grams that is about 15.17 ounces, but i got x2 for safety reasons as only one is not for street riding on a 320cc , only a 250cc. It is modular so the x2 click together, i am way over in the safety area of the amperage and the crank power is much better, bike starts quicker and easier. So in total then new battery weighs about 860grams ( 30.34 ounces) , so i saved about 1.8 kg, ( saving of about 4.1 pounds)

Exhaust: fitted a akrapovic gp slip on, for mainly sound and abit of weight saving
OEM slip on weighs about 6 pounds 4.8 oz. The akrapovic slip on weighs about 1 pound, 15.4 oz.

So with the battery and exhaust saved about 9 pounds ( +-4 kg) Bike wet weight is approx 169kg ( +-372 pounds) , so if this wet weight is true and JT bluetooth weight of exhausts is correct, then bike would now be approx 165kg wet weight. 14 litre tank, if i keep under 10 litre, then wet weight about 161kg.
But i will just say bike is 165kg wet, so that is 363.73 pounds

To put this OCD on weight in relative terms , a ducati 1199 superleggera weighs approx 390.2 pounds wet. Ok it does have over 200hp and the R3 about 40hp.

But the superleggera costs 65000 US dollars and the R3 costs 4990 US dollars.
Basically a 60K difference is price. Say the ducati is 205 hp, and the R3 40hp, 165extra horses for 60 k , is about 363.64 US dollars per hp.

I am also getting a rear fender elimanator, had to go for Yoshimura, i cant get graves or vegabond easily from south africa, i could get yoshi easily. I know the others are better, but this is what i could get. So will have to make do.

I am getting my suspension done by a company in cape town ( RSA) called mp custom valve and suspension. Owner is Martin Paetzold. Lucky he is so close to where i live. He quoted me about 550 US dollars ( if i take current exchange rate from ZAR rand to US dollar) . For that price he is going to do front and rear suspension .

Front forks:


Emulators, fork oil, new fork springs

Rear Shock:

Shock spring new, valving, shock oil

This is just in symplistic terms . They will do testing as well. Will upload photos and my thoughts when job is done later in November.

Then after this getting a PC5 and custom map done for about 590 US dollars . this includes install and testing, Will send you results from Dyno when done at end of this month. This price also includes a BMC street filter and fitment.

The fender eliminator cost about 140 US dollars, but this price installed for me and includes shipping and duties etc.

This is all i am planning on doing this year. Next year will look for some better tires.





 

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If you know you WONT do an upgrade to cartridges, have you considered Intiminators vs the Emulators? GL with your mods.
 

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How much does the cat. converter weigh? Bet you could save more lbs. taking that off. Keep the stock headers and fashion a pipe to your slip on.
 

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What's Intiminators, Koji? Don't tell me to Google it. Please
It's a drop in valving option for bikes with non cartridge forks. I would say in the same league as emulators by easier to install. No removing any stock parts, no drilling extra holes or whatever. I used them and liked it, but still ended up wanting cartridges so I did a fork swap. Here's a short video on the website.

http://store.ricorshocks.com/FAQ_s/41.htm
 

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It's a drop in valving option for bikes with non cartridge forks. I would say in the same league as emulators by easier to install. No removing any stock parts, no drilling extra holes or whatever. I used them and liked it, but still ended up wanting cartridges so I did a fork swap. Here's a short video on the website.

http://store.ricorshocks.com/FAQ_s/41.htm
Those look cool!

None listed yet for the R3, though. Maybe soon?

I did notice this on the website under Sportbike > Racing:

"RICOR SHOCKS PARTNERS WITH SPEARS ENTERPRISES TO DEVELOP INTIMINATORS FOR SUZUKI SV650 RACING

LAS VEGAS, Nevada. — May 18, 2009 — Spears Enterprises, an industry leader in high performance and service of all Suzuki motorcycles, has joined forces with RICOR Racing Shocks, the world’s leading manufacturer of inertia-active suspension systems for street and off-road vehicles, and today announced a partnership to develop the Intiminator for SV650 Racing."
 

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Those look cool!

None listed yet for the R3, though. Maybe soon?

I did notice this on the website under Sportbike > Racing:

"RICOR SHOCKS PARTNERS WITH SPEARS ENTERPRISES TO DEVELOP INTIMINATORS FOR SUZUKI SV650 RACING

LAS VEGAS, Nevada. — May 18, 2009 — Spears Enterprises, an industry leader in high performance and service of all Suzuki motorcycles, has joined forces with RICOR Racing Shocks, the world’s leading manufacturer of inertia-active suspension systems for street and off-road vehicles, and today announced a partnership to develop the Intiminator for SV650 Racing."
The sv, N650 and R3 all have 41mm forks. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
 

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Rear Shock:

Shock spring new, valving, shock oil
Just wondering how he is going to modify the rear shock's valving and oil since its welded together. Is he planning to cut it open and then weld it back together again?

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The sv, N650 and R3 all have 41mm forks. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
The question then, IF they fit, is which one to get. They offer different Intiminators for the different generations of the SV650, with different part #'s.

1st Gen forks were:

Kayaba 41 mm telescopic fork, 132 mm (5.2 in) wheel travel.

2nd Gen forks were slightly different:

41 mm damping rod fork, 130 mm (5.1 in) travel.

I think maybe there is more to the individual Intiminator designs than just the fork diameter, such as bike weight, fork travel, F/R weight distribution, damping rod specs, etc.

Though the Gen 1 & Gen 2 SV650's have the same diameter fork tube (O.D.) they may have different inner diameters (I.D.). where the Intiminator will sit.

None of these have the same part numbers. If they were Universal Fit to the size of the forks, then you'd expect to see a Part # listed as "For ALL 41mm forks".

A call or an email to them would clarify....
 

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The question then, IF they fit, is which one to get. They offer different Intiminators for the different generations of the SV650, with different part #'s.

1st Gen forks were:

Kayaba 41 mm telescopic fork, 132 mm (5.2 in) wheel travel.

2nd Gen forks were slightly different:

41 mm damping rod fork, 130 mm (5.1 in) travel.

I think maybe there is more to the individual Intiminator designs than just the fork diameter, such as bike weight, fork travel, F/R weight distribution, damping rod specs, etc.

Though the Gen 1 & Gen 2 SV650's have the same diameter fork tube (O.D.) they may have different inner diameters (I.D.). where the Intiminator will sit.

None of these have the same part numbers. If they were Universal Fit to the size of the forks, then you'd expect to see a Part # listed as "For ALL 41mm forks".

A call or an email to them would clarify....
I was in touch with Brian back in May to asking he would R&D the R3 but at the time he replied with "we don't have information on those bikes". I will follow up later with him to see what's in the works, if anything.

Very good points with the weight of the bike being a factor.
 

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I was in touch with Brian back in May to asking he would R&D the R3 but at the time he replied with "we don't have information on those bikes". I will follow up later with him to see what's in the works, if anything.

Very good points with the weight of the bike being a factor.
That's the ticket! Keep us posted. :)
 

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Hi Marc . Regarding rear shock I am not sure what he is going to do . He is apparently the best suspension specialist in South Africa and has done suspension for numerous race teams . He himself was part of moto gp in 1992 racing 250cc . He has a shock dyno as well . So I trust him . Will wait and see what he does . I am leaving my bike with him for 2 weeks so he is going to do numerous tests on the bike and come up with the best solution . My brief was just to make the bike the best handling 320cc around and suited to my specific weight with ability to tune both front and rear suspension . Hard for racing and plusher for road use . I'm also interested to see what he does . He is called the guru with suspension and heard from numerous people that he transforms bikes regarding suspension for the better . Will keep you posted and post pics once done
 

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What's Intiminators, Koji? Don't tell me to Google it. Please
It's a drop in valving option for bikes with non cartridge forks. I would say in the same league as emulators by easier to install. No removing any stock parts, no drilling extra holes or whatever. I used them and liked it, but still ended up wanting cartridges so I did a fork swap. Here's a short video on the website.

http://store.ricorshocks.com/FAQ_s/41.htm
Interesting. Thanx. I couldn't watch the video (as "this plug in is not supported"). They appear to function the same as the GVEs, except that they use deflection spring discs rather than a plate and a conventional coil spring like the GVE. Sorry to Jack your thread, Bigbay.
 

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What is performance advantage of cartridges vs emulators/ intiminators . The latter uses stock items already on the bike so obviously cheaper . Also we know regarding R3 we don't want to add weight . Is their more adjustability with cartridges . Their is a big difference in price between replacing cartridges and doing emulators . Is it worth it ?
 

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I mean he is replacing the internals/ upgraded springs and oil . So why have more cost using cartridge forks rather thank keeping stock forks with emulators
 

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Emulators are just that, they emulate what a cartridge does so they will never have the same performance as a real cartridge. I myself like a fully tunable suspension. An emulators tunability is pretty limited and much more difficult than a cartridge which has all its controls outside. You need to open your forks every time for tuning.

Cartridges cost much more than emulators but for me, I am willing to pay the extra money for the real thing.

My experience with the intiminators are that they are ok for what you are paying, but not the same as an actual cartridge fork. It all depends on how much you are willing to spend I guess.
 

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My bike has been at suspension specialist since Tuesday . Longest time I have been away from my bike since I got it in August . I must be addicted to bikes and riding cuz I am feeling really depressed not being able to ride a bike . It will be there still for another week . Guy said he is taking 10 working days max . Been 4 working days so far . Either he is flipping slow are taking his time to make it perfect . Hope it will be worth the wait
 
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