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Ok, for all of us MotoGP enthusiasts & avid followers,

What did you think of Lorenzo's comment ?

.... "Lorenzo: I was better than Rossi in everything"

For Rossi to have come up through the pack & pass almost everyone in the race,

and we know there were more than a few who didn't just move over & let him pass as if they were down a lap.

But was Lorenzo right in saying what he did ?


We want to know what other MotoGP Fans thought of the last race of 2015 ?

And based on the final results of this last race, was there any validity to Rossi's claim prior to the Sepang Race that he made regarding Marquez ?


This has definitely been a hot topic at HardRacing and we want to know

what other Superfans thoughts are on the outcome ....



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Why wouldn't Lorenzo just remain gracious about the championship? This is what drives me crazy about MotoGP, especially this year: it's becoming more about the racers having a "personality" of sorts instead of about the races themselves. The team-driven (and country-driven) loyalties in the sport are never gonna' go away; let those aspects suffice for the "drama" of the sport. Lorenzo had a great year...I don't understand why he felt the need to continue to rub it in Rossi's face.
 

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Not appropriate, OR true.

Rossi probably would have taken the championship if not for Marquez, who has a history of 'bumping' people (to put it nicely) and sure seems to have been in collusion with his fellow Spaniard, impeding and harassing Rossi so Lorenzo could win.

From the helicopter footage at Sepang if was pretty clear that Rossi didn't kick Marquez but was trying to push him wide and slow him down so Rossi could get away from his antics and focus on catching Lorenzo.

Rossi is still the superior rider. Lorenzo and Marquez are Di*ks.
 

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Not appropriate, OR true.

Rossi probably would have taken the championship if not for Marquez, who has a history of 'bumping' people (to put it nicely) and sure seems to have been in collusion with his fellow Spaniard, impeding and harassing Rossi so Lorenzo could win.

From the helicopter footage at Sepang if was pretty clear that Rossi didn't kick Marquez but was trying to push him wide and slow him down so Rossi could get away from his antics and focus on catching Lorenzo.

Rossi is still the superior rider. Lorenzo and Marquez are Di*ks.
I'm not a "fanboy" of any particular rider; I can appreciate different (and successful) styles in MotoGP regardless of the character of the rider.

But to piggy-back on what you mentioned here, I found it pretty odd that MM didn't press Lorenzo at all yesterday until his own position was threatened. I'm not arguing that there was some collusion between the two, but I suspect that if it was Rossi's tail that Marc had been staring at yesterday, the "strategy" would've been completely different.
 

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I am in no way a hardcore fan of MotoGP, but slowly drew interest in it after I purchased my R3 this summer.

I watched a lot of the highlights from Sepang and I personally think Marquez did screw Rossi over.. He let Lorenzo pass without a fight, and then went on to race the race with the sole intention to distract Rossi and keep him away from Lorenzo. Rossi may have been semi responsible for the accident which lead to Marquez going down, but you could see him physically motioning to Marquez to race his own race and to basically f*uck off plenty of times before the final incident. Regarding the physical contact many say Rossi was intentionally running him off the track, and it does look like his line is extremely wide, but he is also looking back at Marquez. Marquez then speeds into Rossi's knee which causes Rossi to push off, making contact with the front brake or handle bars and causing Marquez to go down.

Video highlights of the race. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROzL40UJ37I) I get agressive riding, but come on..

Most riders acknowledged what Marquez was doing. ( http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/2...aying-about-the-rossi-vs-marquez-controversy/ )

I was unable to watch the Valencia race, but no matter Rossi, Lorenzo, Marquez, anyone starting penalized would have a tough day at the track. Lorenzo may have been better than Rossi, but that's because he wasn't starting the race with a handicap. Rossi did have slower practice/race times than Lorenzo, but Lorenzo was also slower than Marquez... (Going back to Sepang) Why would a racer who won at this track the previous year, and has the ability to beat both Rossi and Lorenzo, let Lorenzo pass so easily then ride a brutal battle against Rossi on one of the final races of the series?
 

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I was really disappointed with MM, JL, and VR, in no particular order. JL for wanting to have a say in an incident he had no part in from Sepang. MM for not riding to win at all times at both Phillip Island, Sepang, and Valencia. VR for creating the controversy through whining in the first place, whether he was right or wrong.

Yes, I agree MM was holding back and "helping" JL. Although, I think MM thought of it more like hurting VR and not helping JL. If MM had been in contention he would have put everything into winning. He didn't give us the "show" we paid for.

VR should just keep his mouth shut, stop whining, and race. Same thing goes for JL. You are paid to race, not talk. If I wanted that kind of drama I would watch reality TV or NASCAR.

I know that is harsh, but I expect better respect among racers who are risking their lives, and those around them. On and off the track. You don't have to like the person, but you don't hit, bump, or run them really wide as a form or retribution for a real or perceived slight. MM has consistently broke that rule. VR has in the past so has no ground to stand on when MM does it to him.

Dani Pedrosa has really earned my respect. I know many say he has no personality. I am betting he does but just prefers to keep his mouth shut and race.

I will be rooting for Dani, Andrea Iannone, Bradley Smith, and no egotistical drama next year.
 

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100% Agree.
As a Racing fan....... it would have been nice to see the final race come down to best man wins.

Not......... Marquez sand bags for the first time in his life, and Rossi has to start from the back.



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After a good season for Il Dottore, partly good start due to the bad framework in Marc's Honda, Rossi would deserve to be treaten as a true champion. He is extremely skilled as a GP racer and next to that, his punishment was not correct. Marcques has spoiled the respect that he could've earned when Rossi decides to stop. It is clear, that there is a divide between the Spanish and Italian riders.

In a GP there may be no personal preferences when it comes to strategic riding. May not be based on Nationality/religion/personal issues or whataoever.

The Spanish played a really nasty game. Not only in Valencia, although everyone knew Lorenzo would come out as winner (what Vale did was amazing but all the taking over in a group costs way more time than what happends in the top 3). Also in Sepang, and even in Assen, where Marc attempted to crash Rossi in the last corner.

I am a real Rossi fan, and as a Yamaha supporter I do favor Lorenzo above any other. Only thing is, MM and JL are both missing character. When I hear Rossi speak I can already smile, temperament.

This picture is made this morning after Jorge said thank you over night to his little helper



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Not appropriate, OR true.

Rossi probably would have taken the championship if not for Marquez, who has a history of 'bumping' people (to put it nicely) and sure seems to have been in collusion with his fellow Spaniard, impeding and harassing Rossi so Lorenzo could win.

From the helicopter footage at Sepang if was pretty clear that Rossi didn't kick Marquez but was trying to push him wide and slow him down so Rossi could get away from his antics and focus on catching Lorenzo.

Rossi is still the superior rider. Lorenzo and Marquez are Di*ks.
Couldn't have said it better.
 

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Rossi's ride was impressive but he ran out of time and came up a little short. If he could have passed the last three riders and won the championship, that would have been a ride of a lifetime. I wonder if Lorenzo could have passed all those riders if the role was reversed.
 

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I don't watch that regularly but I kinda read/watch around it for past few weeks.
it gets me to a point wondering
what happen to the "sportsmanship"?
all these complain against each other flooded my facebook page for the past two weeks and it's like male soap opera

I am sure they are probably fastest riders at this moment of the time given. However, they certain have no respect to others and thus being respected by others IMO
 

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For anyone who has an irrational hatred for any of the MotoGP riders, feel free to watching Hitting The Apex. I still like certain riders over others, but that film (and subsequent viewing of it over & over) have given me a new-found respect for ALL of those guys. Not a single one of them isn't filled with competitive spirit and they ALL worked pretty hard to get where they are.
 

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Rossi has an awesome season, finishing on the podium in the majority of races. The win at Assen was amazing.
Rossi decides to pick a fight with Marquez
Rossi gets fight with Marquez
Rossi wins fight, and wins three penalty points in the process.

Did that cost him the Championship? Hard to say whether he could have finished second had he not gridded at the back. Jorge should just take the win and leave the drama at home. I was pulling for the GOAT all season, but his mouth went full stupid before Sepang (an Italian thing I guess).
 

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MM93 lost a lot of respect from the fans after the Sepang incident, i had seen comments such as "i won't ever buy a Honda anymore unless u get rid of MM, disgrace for Honda team".
Most Rossi fans are pretty angry about what happened in Sepang and not to mention the last race of the year was without VR46 in the frontline, pretty sure VR could have won the championship (or atleast we could have seen a 30 lap spectacular race)
What i had seen is a 30 lap without MM trying to overtake JL...
 
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