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Hey everyone, So I am in a small pickle right now.. I am stuck in between buying the R3 and the Ninja 300.. I'm sure the topic between which is better has come up numerous times, I am stuck on the fact that the Ninja 300 has ABS and a slipper clutch. Asa new rider to me those sound very reassuring. However, I am in love with the R3 and could really use some persuading in the right direction.

Any help will be appreciated.

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rob
 

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For me abs is definitely not a deal breaker. I owned an old EX500 as my first bike and it didn't have abs. Never locked up the brakes on that thing. I am in no way anti abs but it definitely is not a requirement. Not having abs forces you to learn smooth and controlled braking. Having it means you can rest assured if you know you aren't smooth you can jam the brakes on and not lock the brakes up in panic situations. Keep in mind it isn't your anti crash feature. There are plenty of people who have crashed braking even with abs on. The low end abs systems won't work too well when leaned over. Some manufacturers have improved on this with systems that can tell when you are leaned over and even modulate braking for you then.

As for the slipper, they are a nice feature. I had one on my older bike. I would say its probably more beneficial on the track. On street if you are really aggressive with downshifts and don't know how to be smooth it could help, but then you are just using it as a crutch rather than learning how to be a smooth rider. I have also owned a few bikes without a slipper. On one bike without, I have downshifted a bit too aggressively more than once and that bike had enough power to really fishtail the rear end. On the R3 it was much more manageable.

As is, the R3 is a well made bike for a new rider. Adding abs to it, or any bike for that matter makes it better. A slipper would be icing on the cake, provided it doesn't add too much to the price.
 

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I never ridden the ninja 300, and the R3 is my first bike. Based on my perspective the R3 is a great bike, cornering is great, the power is there(its just enough that you won't get bored of it). The negatives about the R3 that I felt so far is the brakes are soft but as a new rider I don't mind it. I was in the same boat you where a couple months ago and the only reason I went for the R3 over the ninja 300 was the look and power. I think the R3 looks way nicer than the ninja and I wanted something with a little more power than the ninja 250 or the ninja 300.

PS. You should be able to get a 2015 R3 for about 5000 OTD. Don't let the dealers rip you off like they did me. Hope this was helpful.
 

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I never ridden the ninja 300, and the R3 is my first bike. Based on my perspective the R3 is a great bike, cornering is great, the power is there(its just enough that you won't get bored of it). The negatives about the R3 that I felt so far is the brakes are soft but as a new rider I don't mind it. I was in the same boat you where a couple months ago and the only reason I went for the R3 over the ninja 300 was the look and power. I think the R3 looks way nicer than the ninja and I wanted something with a little more power than the ninja 250 or the ninja 300.

PS. You should be able to get a 2015 R3 for about 5000 OTD. Don't let the dealers rip you off like they did me. Hope this was helpful.
How many miles on the bike? Bed the brakes in properly and they will feel better than what you have now. There are plenty of articles on proper brake pad bed in procedures. If it's still not good enough for you ( keep in mind some racers race on completely stock brake set ups), upgrade Ss lines, pads, MC and/or calipers.
 

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You need to go to the dealer and check them out for yourself. Get some OTD price quotes, see which one is the better deal. Pick the one YOU like best. They are both fairly close in terms of ride and performance. I think the R3 looks better. The weak-link on the R3 is the tires, but that can easily be fixed with a new set. I have no complaints with my R3, except the tires are not as grippy as I would like. Everything else on the R3 is great.
 

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If it's your first bike I would get a used one because A: You are very likely to drop it at least once and B: You are likely to want to upgrade in a few months to a year and will eat a lot of depreciation selling or trading one you just bought new. Insurance and tax will be cheaper as well.

Maybe shop Craigslist/Cycle Trader for both and that gives you more options.
 

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I originally wanted a Ninja 250 when it was out in the new style back in 2008 or 2009. Loved that little bike in blue! A friend of mine let me ride his and to say I was a bit disappointed is putting it mildly. The carburetor and light power were quite the deal breakers. Then when the CBR 250 came out, I had another option and it was fuel injected!

Finally, the Ninja 300 came out and it had improved on all the things that the 250 did not have - namely ABS and fuel injection. I was ready to buy until they told me you couldn't buy one in blue. So I put it off untilYamaha and Honda both got into the 300cc game.

Now I was really confused so I watched tons of comparison videos online between all three bikes and read a lot of reviews. They all pointed to the same thing - the R3 was truly a winner in the 300cc sport bike arena. It's combination of great looks, smooth handling, excellent power, light weight all came together in a wonderful package.

I have no regrets at all and love my R3! I do wonder what the Ninja and Honda would feel like now that I've had a chance to get some time on the R3 but for me it comes down to the looks and in that regard, the R3 has both of those bikes beat cleanly.
 

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Those are good valid points, I like the fact that the R3 has a gear indicator for the newbie rider... and as good as ABS would be my intentions are not to drive like a psycho where i'll be tailing people where i'll have to brake suddenly. "Foothils"--> I did consider a used bike already, but the R3's around here are not too pricey (Guy selling one for $3900.00) Majority of the riders didn't start on an ABS bike anyway.. and I do not want to feel reliant on computers to ride my bike and keep me safe.

I'll be putting in an offer an a blue R3 tonight and let you guys knows how it goes.

Seems like a great forum and looking forward to being part of it..

Rob.
 

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1. ) I do not want to feel reliant on computers to ride my bike and keep me safe.

2. ) I'll be putting in an offer an a blue R3 tonight and let you guys knows how it goes.
1. - I AGREE!

2. - I hope you get it
 

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I'm feeling a little bit smug here as my bike (like all UK R3s) has ABS as standard. Having said that, I've never used or needed it. I've had plenty of bikes before and none of them had it, or did I ever feel like I needed it, so I wouldn't let it be a deal breaker.
 

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We'll tell you to get the R3, and the Kawasaki forum will tell you to get the Ninja ... hopefully you sat on both bikes. That was my tie-breaker.
 

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Yes, I did sit on both, Yamaha had less of an aggressive sitting position than the Kawi.. So... I offered the guy $3300.00 for his 2015 blue with 2k miles.. he came back at $3600.00 all in. I countered with $3500.00 but I wanted a Maryland Inspection and proof of no lien, while I also mentioned new ones can be had for $4200.00 at a nearby dealer. He said no dice go buy the new one.. So I am back to square one.

I'll keep looking, I am sure something will pop soon.
 

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Never ridden a bike, and an R3 was my choice. ABS did come to mind when I was going to purchase, but I don't think it's that much of an issue really. I've locked up the rear once on accident, and numerous times on purpose. As for the front, it takes a good amount of pressure before you ever really lock that up IMO.

And slipper clutch.. don't think you need that either lol. But I guess it's nice to have.

At the end of the day, I chose the R3 over the Ninja 300/CBR300 because of its looks. No regrets here, almost 2 months riding now, almost 3K miles. :)
 

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Looking around I feel like I should have taken the $3600.00 for his R3, but who wouldn't want to produce an inspection unless he broke something on the bike....
 

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Looking around I feel like I should have taken the $3600.00 for his R3, but who wouldn't want to produce an inspection unless he broke something on the bike....
Offer him a little extra ($3650-$3675 or whatever) for the bike and to "compensate him for the inspection". If he doesn't bite at that I'd personally walk away. If they don't want the bike looked over by a mechanic it's usually a red flag
 

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^ I think he may have just insulted him about the price.. i'll check my cell phone after work and see if he may have reconsidered.
 
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