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I thought I would start this thread considering I'm out the money to buy the filter that shows as a cross reference but it doesn't fit.

Wix 51365 is a direct cross reference to the KN204. However, when I screwed the Wix filter on I noticed it like stopped very suddenly. I tightened it good and started the bike. Within a second I had oil all over the carport. I shut the engine down and retightened. A second start and I had more oil.

I'm not sure why but that filter does not fit this bike properly. I noticed when I put the OEM filter back on, it tighted like it was tightening against the Oring around the oil filter, the Wix tightened like it hit a wall. So I think perhaps it bottomed out on the inside threads before it seated correctly against the engine.

Whatever the reason, do NOT use the Wix 51365 with the R3!!!
 

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I ordered genuine Yamaha filters off Amazon back in early May; I put the filter stock number (from the actual filter) in a Google search and found it all over the place for cheap. Why would you want to use a different filter?
 

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Because its a much better filter. I'm not looking for cheap, I'm looking for good. Fram is cheap, but I won't put one on my lawnmower.
 

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So I think perhaps it bottomed out on the inside threads before it seated correctly against the engine.

Whatever the reason, do NOT use the Wix 51365 with the R3!!!
I bet you're right. I've heard of this happening on other bike/filter combinations. Not a deep enough bung-hole.
 

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Yep, and to be clear this is not saying Wix is a bad filter. Not at all, it's one of the best. But it just doesn't fit this particular bike.

I mean I'm a licensed airplane mechanic so its not like I don't know what I'm doing. In 20 years of changing my own oil, I've never had a filter tighten like that one did. Screw it on and it hit a wall. Usually they go on by hand and then get progressively tighter and tighter as the o ring seats. This one screwed on by hand and then STOPPED. I was like hmm ok whatever. My mechanic intutition told me something was not right but I didn't listen to the little voice in my head. Oh well, I ordered some Mobil 1 filters that will be in next week.
 

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I ordered genuine Yamaha filters off Amazon back in early May; I put the filter stock number (from the actual filter) in a Google search and found it all over the place for cheap. Why would you want to use a different filter?
I agree. It's apparently adequate enough for the factory to base a warranty on.
 

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A 12 month warranty? They must not trust it very much. Some cars come with 100,000 mile 10 year warranties.

You can run a Fram for 12 months. If your goal is simply to make it to the end of the warranty period you aren't aiming very high.

I've been running Wix filters on my scooter since 07. It currently has 25,500 miles and purrs like a kitten. It's 9 years old.
 

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Wix filters are among the best out there. I first started using them 20-25 years ago, I carried mail and used my vehicle and was putting 45k on it yearly, so I was changing oil and filter monthly.
 

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One billion filters don't work on the R3, We know one does.


The one on my bike from new was Yamaha-Denso;
1WD-E3440-00
my genuine replacements from Yamaha Au;
5GH-13440-50


Use the second number and you cant go wrong, it fits many Yamaha Models from R6's to YFM Farm bikes.


Cross reference chart here-
http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/YAMAHA/5GH-13440-50-00


But use it at your peril all to save a dollar and lunch an engine.


Genuine Yamaha parts are expensive, because they are the best.
 

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Uh you do realize Yamaha doesn't make their own filters, right?

And they are expensive because they are labeled Yamaha. Just like anything labeled "marine" is 4 times as much even though it's identical to non-marine versions. It's smart marketing on their part, for fools who buy their products simply because of the label. Like Yamalube, WTF is that? It's Pennzoil in a Yamalube bottle and 3 times the price. And whats funny is there are fools out there who will buy it.

For the rest of us, we'd rather see scientific proof of which oil and filter is better. And there just happens to be some out there, if you're willing to look.

From your own website, the same one I used, look what it cross references to, a WIX 51365 WHICH DOES NOT FIT THIS BIKE.

That is the entire purpose of me creating this thread. I seriously doubt I found the ONLY filter in that list that does not fit our bike, yet cross references to it.
 

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Confirmed Oil filters ON THE LIST that should work THAT DO NOT

The WIX 51356 DOES NOT WORK ON THE R3

IT DOES NOT SEAL ALL THE WAY

YOU WILL RUIN YOUR MOTORCYCLE

IT WAS ON THE LIST

YOU WILL NOT KNOW TIL YOU ARE GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND ALL YOUR OIL COMES OUT

The 51358 works fine.

It was my first oil filter change so I had no idea what was supposed to even happen.





I dont know how to get this information out the correct way. Please sticky this or do whatever you have to to get this information out the best way.
 

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How does it ruin the motorcycle? Saying it doesnt fit and saying it will ruin your bike are two different things. There are plenty of reports (I have personal experience) of bikes dumping their oil either through the drain plug or filter with no ill effects on the bike. Personally if a bike dumps oil, I would be more worried about sliding and crashing than I would "ruining" the bike.
 

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Just use either factory or either of the two K&N filters (long or short, standard for Yamahas). The oil filter nipple (what the filter screws on to) is a bit longer on the Yamaha than some filters are threaded, thus filter does not seat fully and amazingly leaks.

Post in all caps are considered "yelling" - don't do that please.

The issue with this particular WIX filter has already been identified: http://www.r3-forums.com/forum/530-oil-lube/23289-oil-filters-do-not-work-r3.html

Also: http://www.r3-forums.com/forum/289-...yamaha-r3-faq-how-mega-thread-read-first.html

Thread merged
 

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So, I was following the decision by CMRA to ban any aftermarket oil filters after some recent crashes due to filter failures (the most recent being Kyle Wyman at COTA last weekend).

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/cvma-banning-all-aftermarket-oil-filters/

After checking the WIX fitment there are a couple of interesting findings:

Fitment for 51356: http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartApplications.aspx?Part=51356
Fitment for 51365: http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartApplications.aspx?Part=51365

It seems neither are recommended for any Yamaha, including the R3
 

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Does the pervasive Fram Synthetic 7317 fit the R3? It fits the FZ6R, and I see the Wix filters here listed on the Yamaha Z6R site, so I'm thinking possibly the 7317 also works. Do we have a corresponding thread that lists oil filters confirmed to fit properly?

Yes, the one Wix filter I have, the inside nut sticks out convex, inside of being concave like the Fram Synthetic filters. I don't think the Wix filter would have tightened down properly on my FZ6R either
 

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The R3 uses same oil filter as an Infiniti.
If you want the short (same as stock) filter look up 2004 Infiniti G35 as an example, the Mobil 1 version is an M1-108. For the longer filter use 2004 Infinity G45 that yields a Mobil 1 M1-110. Both filters are the same diameter and thread size.
 

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The R3 uses same oil filter as an Infiniti.
If you want the short (same as stock) filter look up 2004 Infiniti G35 as an example, the Mobil 1 version is an M1-108. For the longer filter use 2004 Infinity G45 that yields a Mobil 1 M1-110. Both filters are the same diameter and thread size.
A word of caution - just because it is the same size and threading (ie; it fits) does not mean it is applicable for uses other than intended. Those particular filters do not cross-reference to Yamaha motorcycles and are specifically designed for these applications only. Use at your own risk.

M1-108 - Hyundai, Kia (1994-10), Infiniti, Nissan (1995-14) Mazda (1990-08, 2011-15), Subaru (2004-14) (Mazda B6Y1-14-302; Subaru 15208-KA010)
M1-110 - Chrysler Products (1991-98, 01-05), Ford Probe (1989-97), Honda (2001-14), Infiniti (1995-14), Mitsubishi (1992-14), Mazda (1983-02, 09-11), Nissan (1995-14) (Nissan 15208-9E000; Mitsubishi MZ690072)

They may work just fine, but don't make the mistake of taking your bike in for warranty work with them on the bike - that will void your warranty in a heartbeat, particularly if there is a motor/tranny related problem.
 

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The CVMA has banned aftermarket filters, not the CMRA. I still find this funny considering almost all filters are made by 5 or 6 different companies.
You are correct, sir - good catch - MotoAmerica did it too, btw. (I've been following the CMRA soap-opera too, so I must have gotten all confused in my early Alzheimers or late-night fog)

I agree that most (if not all) OEMs outsource filters, but apparently the specs do differ somewhat in that those sold by OEM are often tighter tolerance and/or better quality (or so goes word on the street from people who had time on their hands and measured/cracked them open - flatness across gasket base, thread runout, amount/type of filter media).

I'm all for saving a few bucks here and there if all things are equal - but also know that more than once warranties have been voided on the basis of using "improper" filters - maybe cheesy, but it happens. Folks will spend lots of coin on farkles and bling, but buy the cheapest oil filters they can find - I just have a hard time going along with that, sorry.
 

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The R3 uses same oil filter as an Infiniti.
If you want the short (same as stock) filter look up 2004 Infiniti G35 as an example, the Mobil 1 version is an M1-108. For the longer filter use 2004 Infinity G45 that yields a Mobil 1 M1-110. Both filters are the same diameter and thread size.
I concur with Stirz on this one....

If a filter 'fits' it does not mean it is of a close enough design to OEM to work optimally. Although it may fit and never have an issue, if the filter is used outside its designed purpose and a failure occurs because it was used outside its designed purpose it could be catastrophic...ie blow up the filter, worse yet... your engine.

Lots of things come into play in the design of oil filters. Ive been in the parts industry for over 15 years and seen my fair share of filter designs/build quality and failed filters from people crossing incompatible filters and using them on their machines/vehicles.

Although there is a small handful of filter Manufacturers. Every 'brand' of filter differs from one another in some part of the construction, even when they cross to one another.

The biggest points of failure when using filters not designed specifically for the application are the bypass valve (some filters dont even have one) and the filter material itself. If the bypass valve is too weak for the application your filter is doing nothing and all oil is bypassing the filter material, if its too strong and the filter material plugs you could starve your oil galleries down stream of the filter. Also flow ratings can differ greatly between two filters that look the same on the outside.

Filters are built based on inlet pressure, bypass pressure, flow rate, required micron rating, sealing face/thread design etc. An OEM filter directly crossed to a KN or NAPA lets says will be nearly the same as they are built to a minimum spec but there will be differences still.

The KN may have more filtering material (pleats within the filter) or a better crimp, or use rubber/steel parts internally vs cardboard/cork, but both OEM and after market filters are designed with a bypass at a certain pressure, will have the correct sealing face/thread and will match the 'minimum' flow rate/micron rating required.

So in otherwords.... only use filters specifically listed to cross reference to OEM with whatever you're installing it on!!! ;)

Just my 0.02c
 
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