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Honda still the best as it has no vices (I know this after owning a cbr250 and Ninja 250)
but I'm committed to R3 purchase. (unless its THAT bad)


Replace bias ply Michelins with Bridgestone S20 evo's, lower the bars, raise the pegs, EBC HH pads, some different dogbones to raise the rear and the R3 will be up to the job.
 

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Hmm, worst to hande of all bikes, didn't expect that.. Especially because some other reviewers said that the suspension was alright. Motorcycle.com is also coming with a shootout anytime soon. They already said that two bikes are on the top, let's hope the R3 is one of them!
 

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Any 250cc is too low in power to maintain interstate speeds of 80+mph over here.

Honda's 300 is actually a 284cc and lacking just that tad of extra power needed over here.
If they had a 350, it would be my thing.

Ninja 300 is based on high revving, something inherent with unpleasant noise when cruising imo.
Too sporty, and lacking comfort for the longer trips..

I'd have to see the R3 in person, but think it might be just good for what I need it for (with some minor mods)
 

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Any 250cc is too low in power to maintain interstate speeds of 80+mph over here.

Honda's 300 is actually a 284cc and lacking just that tad of extra power needed over here.
If they had a 350, it would be my thing.

Ninja 300 is based on high revving, something inherent with unpleasant noise when cruising imo.
Too sporty, and lacking comfort for the longer trips..

I'd have to see the R3 in person, but think it might be just good for what I need it for (with some minor mods)
Get a CBR500R.
 

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After watching the video a second time I find it too short and that they don't go into details much. They didn't mention much the Ninja 300 other than its looks.

It's true that for track purposes the KTM is the best but from what I've read in other places its painfully uncomfortable, cheap, has intense vibrations, etc. Not something you would take out daily or for any kind of riding other than track and twisties.

On the other end of the spectrum you have the Honda CBR. It's the "perfect" commuter. It's great other than the fact that its engine is a single that lacks power and character.

Now if you compare the R3 to the KTM and Honda its really somewhat in the middle. If you compare its handling to those two you kind of expect it to fall behind, being not totally track dedicated, the heaviest and the widest.

That leaves the ninja, which lands somewhere with the R3.

This still leaves me undecided between the Ninja and the R3, being the 2 bikes that meet my needs of being fun and powerful enough for twisties but comfortable for daily driving and maybe a little bit of touring.

I still want to know how horrible the brakes and suspension is on the R3 compared to the Ninja. But for now I am still leaning towards the R3. Tires probably wont last much more than the break-in and brake pads are not too expensive. Only time and a test drive will tell :)
 

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I got a chance to ride the R3 and RC390 cup bike back to back. Surprisingly I was .2 a sec slower on the cup bike. It was way more composed, and the motor felt stronger but the stopwatch told a different story.
Yes, totally agree. Stopwatch tells a different story. Missing from this comparison.
I wanted some track comparisons with a stopwatch, not just opinions. Kind of a generic shootout. Read most of these opinions weeks ago. Had the bikes together for several weeks? Expected more. Any maintenance issues?
 

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The R3 is both faster, taller, and more comfortable than the Ninja.
For me it's a no-brainer. Especially if you're going to tour with it.
better position of the handlebars.
 

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Get a CBR500R.
I've actually looked at a cb500f, or cb500x as a replacement bike, because I like the more upright seating position.
Same top speed, same mpg. I think there's more future in the R3.
Also, it's about 50lbs heavier :(.
I have a GS500F, which is around the same weight as a CB500X, and wished for something lighter.
 

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Any 250cc is too low in power to maintain interstate speeds of 80+mph over here.

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80mph is 80mph anywhere in the world last I checked.
(just did) 80mph is only 128.748! :eek:
CBR CBRR VTR, Ninja , ZZR, GPZ, GPX,,FZR GSF, GSX, I don't know any 250 4 stroke roadie that wont do 160+, and sit on 150 unless its got problems. even Hyosungs do the ton.
Even my 35 year old 14hp CB125 can do 128.
Steepest of steep hills that put my cbr250 back to 5th was still 152lph at the lowest.
Two corners of our track are faster than that even on the cbr150r I raced.




You might need to find what was wrong with the 250 you base this on?
Must have been so tall geared it killed it haha :p
 

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80mph is 80mph anywhere in the world last I checked.
(just did) 80mph is only 128.748! :eek:
CBR CBRR VTR, Ninja , ZZR, GPZ, GPX,,FZR GSF, GSX, I don't know any 250 4 stroke roadie that wont do 160+, and sit on 150 unless its got problems. even Hyosungs do the ton.
Even my 35 year old 14hp CB125 can do 128.
Steepest of steep hills that put my cbr250 back to 5th was still 152lph at the lowest.
Two corners of our track are faster than that even on the cbr150r I raced.




You might need to find what was wrong with the 250 you base this on?
Must have been so tall geared it killed it haha :p
That would be mph, not kph.
85mph =140kph, is very fast for a rebel. Cbr250s can go faster of course..
 

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That would be mph, not kph.
85mph =140kph, is very fast for a rebel. Cbr250s can go faster of course..

Just wondering you first say any 250 cant maintain 80mph/128.748kph?
Then you say a cbr300 is lacking the extra power you 'needed' as well?


I must be misunderstanding, but it looks like you came to that conclusion by experience with a little chopper bike called a 'Rebel'?
Google says they have 16 hp at the engine and all the dynamics of a drunken walrus.


Shouldn't care but new riders research these forums, and they might think 250's and 300's are too slow for anyones skillset then die the day they get a 600 or 1000 sportsbike instead..
 

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Very true, wouldn't want to discourage new riders from getting 250's and 300's, they are overall great bikes with sufficient power to last someone for a while before they're ready to go up in cc's. At leat that was the case for me.
 

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The little Rebel has a very low seat so short people can ride it where they couldn't ride any of the sport bikes. Those 250 cruiser-style bikes don't do very well at higher speeds. I doubt the Rebel could do 85 mph and if it did, it would feel and sound like it was ready to fall apart. The 250r from Honda and Kawasaki can do 85mph, but the 300s all just handle the higher speeds without stressing the engine. My little CB300F is the least powerful of the 300s and 85 mph does feel fast on that bike without fairings or a fly screen. If I did a lot of 80 mph+ riding on the freeway, I would choose the bikes in this order from first to last: R3, Ninja 300, CBR300R, Ninja 250r, CBR300R, CB300F. The Rebel would be the last choice. City riding is a different order.
 

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The little Rebel has a very low seat so short people can ride it where they couldn't ride any of the sport bikes. Those 250 cruiser-style bikes don't do very well at higher speeds. I doubt the Rebel could do 85 mph and if it did, it would feel and sound like it was ready to fall apart. The 250r from Honda and Kawasaki can do 85mph, but the 300s all just handle the higher speeds without stressing the engine. My little CB300F is the least powerful of the 300s and 85 mph does feel fast on that bike without fairings or a fly screen. If I did a lot of 80 mph+ riding on the freeway, I would choose the bikes in this order from first to last: R3, Ninja 300, CBR300R, Ninja 250r, CBR300R, CB300F. The Rebel would be the last choice. City riding is a different order.
With the stock gearing, the rebel does 83 tops at 9k rpm, and it does feel like it'll fall apart.
when changing from stock 14/33t to 15/28t, you'll hit right in the powerband around 75mph, and the bike goes upto 85mph, ducked forward. Putting feet on passenger pegs also increases speed by a few mph. The engine runs hotter, thus has higher compression ratio, and it tops out at 87mph, wind still.
drafting behind a truck, I've gotten it upto 92mph, or 90mph, with a 20mph tailwind.
on the other hand, having a 20mph headwind, and the bike struggles to maintain 75mph.

It's not fast enough, because if I sit upright, legs on the rider pegs, it tops out at 75mph.
On the interstates we ride 80mph most of the time.
In order to do that, I'd have to duck forward, and keep my feet on the passenger pegs to keep up with traffic. And after 30 mins or more of riding like that, it can get boring and painful!
It's like riding wot for prolonged times, without the ability to surpass anyone.

The benefit that the Rebel has over the 300f, is a lower seat height. It does a lot for top speed; for the same reason that the Ninja 300 is just as fast as the CB500X, or only 6mph slower than the NC700X. They are all higher suspension bikes, and though they have more powerful engines, they also need to cut a lot more wind.

I also put lower viscosity oil in it than 10W40.

The rebel needs some gear mods, to work ok on the highways. But in traffic of 80MPH or up, it always feels pushed to the limit.
And that's where the R3 comes in.
The CB300 series of bikes are a little taller than the rebel, and cut more wind. Their 50cc increase probably aren't enough to get a lot more top speed, but they surely will make the bike act a lot more responsive to the throttle at speeds below 80mph.

The R3 is an even bigger bike than the cb300, but it also has an additional 37cc.
I probably would have loved the CB300F, if it wasn't so darn small in size (I'm 6'4"), and had 299cc instead of 284cc. Those last 15cc don't make up for a lot, but if most of your highway travel is at 80-85mph, which is exactly the top of the CB300, those 15 extra ccs could be the buffer you just needed to not have to open the throttle all the way!

Still, I'm confident that the cb300 can do 90mph, 95 even when ducked forward, and with just a gear mod (sprocket changes)
 

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On the interstates we ride 80mph most of the time.

None of these bikes are suitable for two up riding except the CBR500, but even then for that money there are a billion other options.


The CB300 is a Naked bike, its a cbr250/286 without the nice aerodynamic fairing that allows it to do 100/105mph and sit on 80-90mph with ease.
That's why they are 15mph slower.


Any naked bike hits the wall at 90mph no matter what power, A Speed Triple does 150mph, but at 90 you feel that huge resistance, its fun but t gets old quick..


You need to talk with a guy called Sendler, huge hypermiling nut,
he's on Ninjette.org, cbr250.net and those forums where the goal is to have bragging rights on fuelly for saving the cost of a coffee at Starbucks.
He'll explain why a Naked bike cant do what you want with less than 60hp


ps, check cbr500 mpg, its miles ahead of the R3 is reporting.
I know ppl who get 400km per tank and more.
 
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